Hey, everybody, it's Dr. Perry Barnhill here with the Fearless chiropractor podcast. And as a matter of fact, it is the first official podcast for Fearless chiropractor. Uh, this is something we've been wanting to do for a long time. My goal, and literally my motto is to educate, protect, and defend chiropractors.
So if you ever get yourselves in hot water, we can get you out of it. But above and beyond that, we want to try to avoid things, but also as kind of a, uh, bit of a detour or a bit of a slant or. Another road that I want to add is I want to talk to other chiropractors in the world that we live in, of chiropractors and amazing people.
Talk to them about their success, what drives them, what motivates them, because I believe that there's too many chiropractors out there that don't get to hear other chiropractor success, and they can learn and glean so much for them. So I am going to introduce you to my first guest, the very, very first guest on fearless chiropractor, my dear friend, Dr.
Julie McLaughlin. Hi, Perry. How are you? Good. Can you see me? Well, I can see you. Can you see me? I can see you. I can see you. Julie, thank you so much for coming on here. My first know I've talked to you. I mean, obviously, we know each other really well.
I've been talking about this for a long time, and, uh, you know, not only are you one of my best friends, but one of the most amazing chiropractors, literally in the world. And I truly believe that, uh, not only for your clinical skills as a doctor, but the success that you've had over so many years that, uh, I wrote a list down of all the doctors that I want to interview, and guess who was at the top?
Well, thank you very much. Yeah. Well, just a little history that, uh, Julie and I have. We met. Julie. It's been. Has it been eight or nine years ago or more or about? Yeah, it's been a long time. And I don't even know if we met at a seminar.
No, we didn't meet at a seminar. In fact, I think the first time we saw each other, like, face to face, was in an airport. I think it was. You helped me with my luggage off of the little carousel. Yeah. But I'm wondering if it was before. No, I know.
I did a note review for you. Um, was that before or after we sort of physically met? I think that was so. Okay, I got that scary medicare letter. And I, uh, was freaking out, and everybody said, you got to talk to Dr. Perry Barnhill. He is the best at this.
I'm like, okay, I called you up, and you talked me off the ledge, and you reviewed my notes, and, uh, it was kind of a weird thing because they requested notes, and I had only seen the patient for two visits. It was a medicare patient, though, so I knew Medicare is pretty serious, and I faxed it in, and the whole bill was like, they were going to reimburse me, like, $21.
And, uh, I faxed in and never heard from them again. I didn't get paid, but I was okay with that as long as I didn't hear from them. So you helped me a ton. It was my pleasure. And you know what? By the way, your notes were really good.
That's not usually the commonplace. Um, I know we started to develop a friendship after that, and then we met in, um. Was that? That wasn't Dallas. I swear we met in Dallas. But maybe it was in San Francisco, San Jose. I think we. Oh, okay. And, um, we had kind of started talking back then about doing something together.
Uh, and we developed the friendship over the years. We've met up in different places, and Julie and I actually have another, uh, business together called Fearless Coders, where we help and educate other auditors and coders out there on not how to get the doctors, but literally kind of the same model I have in a fearless chiropractor.
But to protect and educate their own doctors so that they don't go through audits, or if they do, they can help them through audits. And Dr. Julie is a compliance officer as well. And, uh, it's really cool to be able to kind of come full circle and only have a great friendship.
But now we work together, we have a business together, and, uh, I'm stoked about mean. We just got back from Parker Seminars. Awesome. Back from Parker. And we had to go to all their hIpaa and their compliance classes, which know making sure that everybody's on the same. So I'm so excited about the spheruless coders, because those coders can help docs in other professions, the podiatrist, the dentist, the optometrist, do the same thing that you do for chiropractors.
And we're helping the coders have a career and have a group, but we're also helping those docs. So it feels really good to get everybody to learn this stuff because it's not easy stuff. The stuff that you teach is a lot to know a lot of acronyms, things. I'm like, my gosh, I was like, perry.
Perry M. What does that mean? I didn't know that acronym. So, yeah, it's very exciting. Yeah. That whole world of, uh, the hip, the coding, the compliance auditing is like the world that most of us as practitioners and clinicians and doctors don't want to live in. I mean, we have to because we're in it whether we want it or not.
But, um, that's what they're for, to teach everybody about those things. And like I said, protect and educate the chiropractor so that they can practice fearlessly, hence the name of the group. But here's what I want to do, because fearless chiropractor is talking to other chiropractors about their success.
Because you talk to a lot of young doctors, it doesn't matter if they're young, in the middle or they're old. They all have varying degrees of success. And the interesting thing is that success is in the eye of the beholder. I mean, it's all different. Some people's like, oh, yeah, I see 200 people a week, or 300, 400, 500 a week, and yet someone can see 50 a week and still be just as successful if they're happy and if that's what they define success as.
So I want to talk to the doctors here and kind of get your information or get some of your insights onto success and how to build a successful practice. Obviously, we can't go into everything, but let me ask you first to kind of start this out and get into it.
How did you become a chiropractor? Why did you become a chiropractor? Uh, it's kind of crazy because I've been pregnant m a really long time. And, uh, back then, we didn't have computers. Um, we didn't have the things that are available today to be able to research. I was premed.
I was doing my four years. And back in the 80s, chiropractors, typically you only had two years going into chiropractic school. But I went the full four years. And in my junior year of undergrad, they said, listen, if you're going to premed, you're going to have some more school, and it'll be expensive.
So one of the classes they required was that you had to do career exploration, and they gave you a list of all the medical practices, and you had to go interview a doctor in that field, and then you had to write up a little report about what the schooling would entail.
So I was like, okay, I'm just going down the list, and I never even heard the word chiropractor. It was just on my list from school, but I wanted to be a vet. So I was like, okay, I'm going to be a vet. So that's who I went to interview first.
And I went and I asked them, what do you do? And they kind of told me in their daily life. And, uh, I forgot that vets have to do euthanasia. And I was like, oh, my gosh, I couldn't do that. Somebody didn't want their pet anymore. I couldn't do that.
So I was like, oh. And then so these visions come in your head, like, I'm going to be this lady. I'm going to be a vet, and this lady, I'm going to have 10,000 pets that people didn't want, and they're going to be at my house, and then m, I'm going to get evicted.
And then I had this whole big thing. I'm like, oh, my gosh, I can't be a vet. So I'm like, okay, well, I'm going to be a dead test. You're in college. You have no idea what you're going to do. So I went to talk to the dentist. Well, that didn't turn out so well either.
I said, one of my questions was, if you had to go to school and do it all over again and do exactly what you're doing now, would you do it? And the dentist said, no, absolutely not. I was like, what people hate. Dentists are afraid of dentists or work in a confined space.
And I was like, oh, my gosh, I wouldn't want my patients to be like that. I can't be a dentist. I was so young, and I really had no idea. So I kept going down the list, but I knew my question was, if you had to do it all over again, would you do the same thing?
If you had to spend the money, spend the time, go to school, would you do it over again? So I got to the chiropractor. He's the only one in that list of medical professionals that said, yeah, uh, 100%, I would do it over again. The only one. I'm like, wait, do you have euthanasia on your patients?
No, we don't do drug surgery. I was like, okay. I was like, do your patients like you? Your patients love you. You get good results if you don't give drugs, you're not cutting anybody open. I'm like, that's it. I'm going to be a chiropractor. And that's how I decided I'd never been adjusted.
I never been to a chiropractor, and I went to chiropractic school. And here we are 36 years later. Yeah, what's really cool, too. That's an amazing story. And I didn't know all of that. I knew about the vet, uh, stuff. I don't remember you talking about the dentist. Um, but, yeah, it makes a lot of sense.
It's like, I'll tell you, my dentist, I like you, man. I just don't like what you do. But obviously, we all need those things. Uh, one of the things, like with you, you've been in practice for a lot of years, and what strikes me as just quite frankly, very amazing and actually very rare is you've been successful for a long, long time.
I mean, I can't remember what you said your very first year of school was, but I'm going to say if you practiced, you said for 35 or. 36 years, it was 1988. Okay, so you've been around the block. That sounds kind of funny, but I mean, uh, yeah, you've seen the good, the bad.
You've seen lots of things. And it just strikes me that you have been successful, like, the whole time. I'm not saying we didn't have bumps. Everybody has bumps in the roads, and things happen in our lives and in our practices. But you've been so successful. What also strikes me is that you're so modest about it.
Absolutely blows me away. And I won't get into the details of numbers and things like that, but I remember one time I specifically asked you, like, so how often do you practice? Tell me what your hours are or were. So, my hours were because I recently sold my practice, and now I'm doing everything virtual, which is a whole new thing.
Um, yeah, I was working two half days, three full days, but I would only work from nine to four on my full days. And I was, uh, taking two hour lunches because I had young kids that I was raising by myself. So when they got out of school, I had to have time in the morning to get them to school and ready, and then I had to pick them up from school.
So I really did have maybe 20 patient hours a week. Um, but it made it fit my life. And that's the beautiful thing about chiropractic, is the patients are going to come when you're there and you make it fit your life, because then it's not a burden. It's something that you love to you touch that doorknob when you go into that office, that's like your happy place.
That's like, yes, I'm here. And it been like that for my whole career. Um, which I feel very fortunate because I think a lot of people in other professions, they don't have that. They don't have that. Like, I could do this my whole life and love it, and it's great.
So I feel very blessed that we have a profession that provides us that kind of feeling that we have when we go to work. Yeah. I mean, it's so impressive. I mean, the hours that you have and the success that you had. Number one, you were happy. You like doing what you do.
And by the way, I totally forgot to mention this. So two things. One, you're a very solid chiropractor, and I say this because of what I'm going to say next. You are one of the best, in my opinion, certainly functional medicine doctors in the entire world. Some docs, chiropractic docs, will think, oh, they're doing functional medicine, and that means they don't do chiropractic or they're not philosophically based.
And all this other, it's completely and totally not true in your case. I mean, you're a very, very solid chiropractor, and I don't want to get into the subluxation, all that stuff, but you're a very solid, philosophically based chiropractor and yet massively successful in functional medicine, and you've managed very well and successfully to combine the two and be good at both and actually do both.
And then on top of that, the numbers that you have as far as the hours that you worked in practice is equivalent to someone, if they were just a chiropractor, adjusting 250 to 300 visits a week and actually getting paid good for it. So it's not like you had worked these reduced hours and had not a good pay.
I mean, Julie, you killed it. And we're not going to get into the weeds with all that stuff, but, I mean, you absolutely killed it. You're massively successful in all aspects of chiropractic practice, for sure. One of the most successful doctors I've ever known and ever met, and I meet a ton of them just doing stuff with fearless chiropractor and the seminars.
I know you meet hundreds and hundreds of doctors as well. You've taught seminars and everything like that for years. So, having said all that and established, you're very, very successful. Are there a few things, I don't know, maybe your top two or three that you could say to, I don't really want to just exclude all old versus young docs, but what would you say to a doctor that, I don't know, maybe they're struggling or something in practice.
And what are three tips of advice? You'd say, here's some of the things, relatively basic things that you could do, I would recommend to kind of get things going in a better direction. Yeah. Number one, reach out to other docs who are practicing, who are successful, and talk to them.
Because, you know, what I know is, as a profession, we are in this profession to help people, and we are very cohesive as chiropractors and we help each other. So when I first got in practice, they would say, oh, marketers would come to try to get you to market with them.
They'd like, well, who's your competition? I'm like, I don't have any competition. They're like, well, there's a chiropractor up the street. I'm like, I wish there was ten chiropractors up the street. Because there are more chiropractors, there are more awareness that people are going to know what we do and that we exist and that we help people.
And so there is no competition. So I would say for a new doc, talk to other docs in the profession, what they're doing, what you like, what they're doing, and you can learn from the good things and the not so good things. Like, okay, I'm never going to do that.
So I would definitely say, because if you have someone that you have a bad day, you talk to another doc who's practicing, they're going to get it. You go home to your spouse, they're not going to get it. This happened, but that way you're going to know that you're not alone.
Number one, you're not the only one that gets these issues or these, I call them glitches, you're not the only one that gets those. And you can get past it, and you can get someone to help mentor you past it. Now, there's tons of coaching programs and things out there, but just talking to other docs and now with Facebook and all these Facebook groups, it's a great place to get feedback.
So I would say that would be number one. Um, number two, stay current with the current trends of what is going on in the world. Like, when we were just at Parker and one of the things that kind of blew me away was that, uh, Patrick Bette David, he was the speaker.
He's that big billionaire podcaster guy. He had said, okay, who's been practicing five years or less, and there were 6000 people there. And just like a few stood up. So there were not a ton of young, newly in, practiced chiropractors at Parker. And then they said, who's been practicing 25 years or older?
There were more there. So I would say, get to the seminars, get to Parker, get to these seminars to learn and to intermingle with people in the profession. From that, you're going to get tons and tons of help and information and inspiration. You're going to get fired up, um, to be able to do that.
The other thing that he asked was how many chiropractors are posting videos on social media every week? And there's only a handful. And so when I first got out of school, we did yellow page ads, newspaper. Newspaper ads. You would never do that now. But had I not kept up and done the things, look and see what other people are doing, because what did they say?
Copying is the best form of flattery for success for people and not done YouTube videos and TikToks and Facebook. If I said, oh, no, I don't believe in that, or whatever, I didn't learn it, I would get left behind. So if you want to be in for the long run, stay up with, ever get behind, stay up with the current things.
Yeah. Thank you. I, uh, 100% agree with you on all of those. It's absolutely perfect. Talking about reaching out to other chiropractors when you're going through a tough time or even when you're going through a good time, just because you're going through a good time, you should still be.
You got to stay on top of, it's just like exercise or anything like that. You got to keep staying on top of it if you want to be on top of it. I would say to really, any chiropractor that's struggling, talk about it. I mean, for real, talk about.
I remember when I was going through my audits, this was like in 2009, 2010 with a big insurance company. I really thought I was in the middle of nowhere on an island. I didn't even know who to talk to. I was so, so scared. If I would have had some guidance or if I would have talked to more people about it, quite frankly, I was embarrassed because I got audited from an insurance company.
I didn't know it was really, really that common. And it is common. If you understand what it is is happening, your response to that is going to be way different than if you're just scared. You put your head in the sand and, uh, you don't seek out any kind of know.
But in terms of talking to other chiropractors about their know years, mean my life was changed by Dr. Gibson. Dr. Chuck Gibson. Absolutely an amazing guy. One of my buddies was very, very successful. Dr. Darren Bowlby was very successful. We went to college together. Like, dude, what are you doing?
I mean, I'm dying. This is like the first year out of school. He says, oh, I'm seeing, you know, he's doing these, they call them management seminars. I know they still call them management seminars. I mean, coaching's coaching, consulting, management, whatever you want to call it. Just sort of all semantics.
And I went, and it literally changed my life because I was surrounded by other docs that were successful, at least in the eyes that I thought they were successful in. And I just started, like you said, doing what they were doing or modeling what they were doing, because behavior, or rather success, leaves clues, there's no doubt about that.
And you find the kind of practice you want and go, hey, that's what I want in know. So, like, all the doctors, like, God, I want to do something like julie did. Then you reach out to someone like Dr. Julie, you, and you do what she says. I mean, you can still be your own person.
You can have your own personality. And I know a lot of docs. Poo poo. Like, oh, I'm not going to do no scripts. Well, then you don't have to do scripts. But you know what? At least it's a guideline on how to communicate to people. Because I'll promise you one thing, certainly not in college, whether it's undergrad, chiropractic college, or really even in life, doesn't teach you necessarily how to communicate with people and how to tell them what it is that you're doing and maybe why they need to do it.
Like, encouraging our patients to accept our recommendations is sort of what I like to say. There's words that I don't want to get into because I don't want to offend people. There's words that people. Well, in fact, I'll just say it. There's certain words I don't like in chiropractor that are said, and it's like, close the patient.
I don't like it. Now, let me say this. I love tons of the people that use that phrase. So just because I don't like the way they say something doesn't mean I think they're amazing doctors and amazing people, and I totally love them. I just don't like that phrase.
So it's not something you'll hear me say. It's like, hey, getting patients to accept your recommendations and learning from the other chiropractors, it's going to be hard to learn it on your own, especially for the young docs out there. You know what, maybe some of the older docs out there, if you look at things, they've been doing the same thing over and over and over.
They're getting the same results, and they don't know why they're not making changes or becoming quote unquote successful. Right? And I love know, like Parker, like you were talking about, there's like so many chiropractors. They're absolute superstars, which are going to be on this. Alex Vidan, you know, he's one of the guys going to be on this podcast, and I'm almost positive I've told him about it, but he will be.
And that's just one to name many, many. You're like, hey, dude, tell us about your success. I mean, you're super successful. How is it that you do it? And guess what? They can teach you. They have programs. So interviewing these doctors, like yourself and then having contact or ways they can contact you then to find clues for success is amazing.
But again, yeah, I agree with you. Modeling other people, staying on top of things. The fact that you and I both talk to hundreds of chiropractors across the country, there's hundreds of chiropractors I taught just in the world of compliance and hip and all that other stuff. And I get, uh, to see the things that they're doing that makes them successful.
Now, that's not necessarily my role for them because they have other coaches, and those are their coaches. They can teach them how to build their practices and things. Certainly I can, too, but I mean, that's their job, not my job, at least in that context. But I can see and I can learn and ask them, so what is it that you're doing?
Why is it that people stay in your office? Um, there's so many superstars out there. Another guy that bought my last office from me, Dr. Kyle Bryant, absolute superstar. He's going to be, I think, next on the list. Massively successful. I was like, how is it that he's doing?
It was very easy. I've watched him. I see what he's doing. He's just killing it. So, anyways, reach out to help keep current model after other people. And then how about this? Julie, I had another couple questions for you. What would you say, because I want to talk about both.
What would you say are maybe some of the biggest challenges that you've encountered in practice or that you see others encounter and why? And then the flip side of that, what is it that you see that maybe this just ties into what you just answered? What is it that you see that makes certain chiropractors more successful than others and why?
Yeah, I would say the biggest challenge in practice is keeping up with your patients and what you need to do for your patients. And the other huge challenge is doing the notes, doing the insurance stuff, doing the business side of it, managing the employees. Um, all of those things.
When I started years ago, you had, like, a little travel card and you could just check it off, and you're like, good to go. Okay. You weren't sitting at your desk for hours making sure your notes are all in. So that is definitely something that you want to try to streamline as best as possible so you're not just using all your time up.
Um, make it easy so if you had to work on it when you go home so you can have time with your families, um, those are definitely challenges. Hiring the right people, not hiring somebody in your office, and you're doing 20 million things. What do they say? The man who chases two rabbits catches none.
So you have to stay in your lane and do what you do best and hire somebody that's going to help you with some of those other things. Maybe you're all cash and you don't need somebody for insurance, but you need somebody to help manage the patients, manage your marketing, do all of those other things, because pretty soon you're going to wear yourself out and you're not going to be good at any of them.
And then you're going to get burnt out, as people say. And so you want to make sure that you have the right people in place. So I would say those would be the biggest challenges in practice. Um, but if you make your office fun and you love on your patients and you love on your employees and you show appreciation.
Yeah, you're going to have bad days. Everybody does, but you're also going to have a lot of good days. Yeah. So tell us about the good days. The good days. Yeah. You come in and somebody, we all have had them, those miracle patients. I always say I get to go to work and see miracles every day.
Patients come in, they're just in pain and they're so crabby and they're mean to the front desk, and they're like, uh, everything's bad and then they come in and you work on them and they leave. They're like, oh, my gosh, I feel so much better. I mean, there's nothing better than that.
I don't think that there's another profession that you go in and you come out and you're like, oh, my gosh, I feel so much better. As there is in chiropractic. So that kind of reinforcement all day long, over and over and over again. Sure, we get occasional crabby patient, but I always think I'd be crabby, too, if I was in that much pain.
We get to see that kind of success and that kind of victory. Like you said, I adjusted every patient hands on. I didn't learn drop tables when I was in school with just manual adjustment. That was it. Um, but we also do the functional medicine, and you can lower someone's cholesterol without drugs.
You can reverse diabetes by working on their lifestyle with supplements, and then you're adjusting them. They're not having pain. Those things are huge. And, um, patients come in, like, years later, they came in, maybe they were in their twenty s, and now they're like, 50, and they come in and they're like, do you remember when I first came into you?
They remember the first time they came into me, and I'm like, oh, man. Sometimes I'm like, oh, I got to remember your name. So you don't know the impact that you make on people's lives because everybody scatters. But sometimes those people come back and they say those things. You're like, wow, that's pretty impactful.
It's very impactful. Yeah, those things are amazing. You literally have no idea what you do, how it changes the lives of so many people. Like the younger guy that bought my office. So I come into contact with the people that he sees in the community, and it's amazing.
He's a superstar to me. I love the kid, but, I mean, doctor to doctor, that's one thing, but. So when I have patients tell me what he did for them. It's amazing. I think we have to remind ourselves as chiropractors, we hear stuff, uh, all day long, hey, you're helping me, you're helping me.
You're helping me. And sometimes I think we take that for granted, because the reality is we're not just helping them. So many of them, like, quite literally and quite frankly, changing their life. I mean, some of them may have committed suicide if it hadn't been for a chiropractor. I mean, it can be that serious.
And then when I'm from outside looking in, and I have these patients tell me what a superstar, uh, Dr. Kyle is. And when he did, it's like, hey, dude, now go back in there to get adjust. Like, I just want to remind you, don't ever forget what it is that you do and how impactful it can be.
I know you hear this stuff every day, but really think about it sometimes because it's so deep and it's, uh, hardcore. It's amazing. One of the things that you said, I had asked you, like, some of the biggest hurdles or whatever difficulties people have in practice, the chiropractors do.
And quite frankly, a lot of docs, kind of like what you said is, don't chase two rabbits. Stay in your own lane. And I find, and maybe I find this just because it is what I teach. Like, the notes and the documentation, the coding, the diagnosising, like, all the stuff we really don't want to do, right.
And it doesn't have to be me, but having someone streamline that for you, because some docs are writing books, I'll review their documentation. Like, holy smokes, man. You have way, way too much in here. No wonder you take a half hour on every patient just to do the notes.
And then, of course, some are too brief, but there's a happy balance in finding out what it is they need in the notes, what it is they actually need to do. And sometimes, or a lot of times, especially, like with some of the HIPAA stuff, delegating that to the staff.
So your rabbit are your patients. I tell a doctor, be the doctor, change their lives, make your practice what it is you want to be in terms of success. Spend time with your family, and then you let others worry about some of that stuff. Yeah, you need to have your hands in a little bit, but not as much as you're trying to now, because all those negative emotions associated, we'll just call it compliance, this big umbrella of compliance, all those negative emotions associated with that is killing your practice.
You're so worried about this, you're so worried about that, that your practice will never, ever grow, because God, the universe knows you got too much focus on this other thing. It happened to me when I went through those audits. We've seen tons of people, uh, a, um, couple of hundred a week for years and years and years go through an audit.
Now it's 25, not a day, but a week. Because this was so fearful, worried about all that other stuff. There was no way I could grow. So I think having other people help you with those things, it's absolutely paramount. I mean, you have to do it. Um, yeah, it's just amazing.
Okay, so we talked about some things. Doctors are having difficulties, hurdles through. We talked about some of their successes. And is there anything you would like to add to that? Anything you can think of you'd like to talk about or add? I'm just so, um, proud to be in this profession, and I'm so proud when, you know, the other docs that are doing just amazing things.
It's so exciting. So we just have to make sure that we always are supporting each other. And that speaker at Parker, when he showed he knew his audience, he showed himself getting adjusted. He showed his family getting adjusted. He showed the statistics about chiropractic and where it's going to go in the future and what it's going to do.
So when you think about that, other people, influencers in this world, are starting to talk about this. We're just seeing the very tipping point, I think, of chiropractic. So don't be afraid to get your message out and share it with the world, because it's come a long way since I got out of school.
And, um, Wilkes case was still going on and all of that. And it's just the very edge that we're going to see great things in this profession, so we just all have to support each other and keep it going. Yeah. See, that's the optimistic, uh, outlook that I like.
Too many of us get together, talk about all the negative things. You know what? We got to reduce that, and we have to talk about things we don't want to do. It is what it is. It's just part of being in practice and business. But being optimistic about what it is we do now, quite literally, we have the best jobs in the entire world.
I say this all the time. It's like, really, okay, we're having a hard time because we're bitch and moaning, complaining about. We have to do a freaking note. Like, really well, what else would you rather be doing? Do you want to be doing, like, some hardcore work and it's native, 20 degrees out, like, you're in an office and you're changing the lives of people.
Focus on the good things and the potential. I mean, maybe you're super successful, but the potential of being massively successful is very, very huge. And if you say, well, I don't know how to guess what kind of like we talked about earlier. Ask somebody. You can ask Dr. Julie.
You can ask me. You can ask some of these other superstar, uh, consultants. Or coaches that we're going to have on this podcast, they know what to do. They did not reinvent the will, believe me, because a lot of the things I was taught 25 years ago when I first started practice, they're still being taught the same, because people are people then there are different methods, right?
We don't have travel cards. Well, let me say this. There's a lot of doctors I still do, and they'll send me the notes because I used to do this. So I can talk about, like 20 visits on one piece of paper, and it's just all check marks. Like, hey, is this okay?
Can we do this? And I go, well, how you more? Not really. Not if you're billing insurance companies or third parties. You may be able to get away. If it's just kind of like, call it a cash patient or whatever, maybe. But you still have the Boris answer to.
So the future of what we do, I think, is absolutely amazing. So I don't want. Doctors don't get hung up on, oh, insurance is going to get worse. Who cares? Adapt as you go. Things always change. That's a thing we know for sure it's going to change. It's not going to be the same.
So you just have to react to in a way such that the outcome is going to be favorable to you and favorable to, uh, your patients. And I think one or two last questions. Julie. I always like to get the perspective or ask the doctors, like, kind of future cast, what do you think chiropractic is going to look like in, say, five, let's say, ten years?
Think it's going to be very the same or like, what model or integrated or what would you say? I think it's going to surpass anything that I could even imagine because it already has. So when I was in school, I thought, gee, if a medical doctor ever would come in and be a patient, that would be a miracle, right?
If, uh, a medical doctor would refer a patient to me, that would be a miracle. If chiropractic was known mainstream and helping our veterans, helping neurology clinics, helping, that would be a miracle. So I think that chiropractic is going to go so far that I can't even imagine. Just like before we had cell phones, you couldn't imagine walking around with a cell phone.
I think it's going to be mainstream, and we are going to be the number one providers that people want to see and need to see, because we know we work on prevention, we work on holistic methods where we're not giving drugs and getting people addicted to drugs or surgeries.
And there's other ways. And sure, there's a place for those other things, but we'll be the first line of defense, because there's so much that we can do and teach our patients to do to make a difference without harming them. So for everybody that's watching, exactly what she just said is what everybody needs to focus on.
Success leaves clues. And your whole last question that I asked you, I mean, what were you. You were optimistic. Everything was amazing. The attitudes, uh, and personalities and people like you make successful chiropractors. Depending on. You can always sort of read. Not always, but you can read people a lot depending on how they respond to a certain question.
I mean, you could have went a whole other direction with that. No, you didn't, because you're optimistic, you're successful, and it's just built and ingrained in your neurology at this point, because you've been doing it that way for so long. And that's why it's like, I, uh, just want to encourage all the doctors out there that are maybe having a difficult time or a hard time to reach out to people, to watch people that are successful, like yourself, and do what they do.
Um, so, yeah, Joe's just about to wrap this up. I know you kind of had a bit of a closing statement there. Do you have anything else before we sort of sign off here? Thank you so much, and thank you for what you do and helping so many docs.
I see it on your page every single day. I'm telling you, I would be lost on HIPaA if it wasn't for you. And I know those docs. I always say you're like an insurance policy. I never stopped paying for my homeowners insurance. I would never stop being in your group because it's like insurance, because you never know.
These laws, they change or something pops up. I'm like, oh, man, I got to ask Perry this. I got to ask Perry this. We were at Parker, and we were like, perry, I got to ask you this. And Dr. Jake, who purchased my practice, I told him, he goes, yeah, that was kind of complicated.
Don't worry, Perry. He's going to make a video on it in his fearless chiropractor. You got to watch it. He's like, oh, good. Thank goodness he can interpret for me. So thank you for what you do. Oh, yeah. It's just my pleasure. I love doing it. Absolutely love doing it.
And happy. That, uh, life drove me in this direction, because years ago, if you would have asked me if I'd been teaching the stuff that I teach now. Never in a million years, not even close. The last thing I wanted to think about. But things happen for a reason and it was a know all those audits and everything I went through was very, you know, you spin it in the right direction and something good comes out of.
Uh, Julie, just kind of a side note here. I know I keep saying we're going to get off. So you're retired in practice, but actually, you're not totally and completely retired because you are still helping people, patients. Just briefly, if you want to tell us you're doing, uh, a thing called begin with wellness, I'm pretty sure that's what it's called.
Can you tell us quickly what that is and maybe if docs want to reach out to you how to reach out to you. Yeah, so I did, I retired from practice, um, from the brick and mortar, but I'm still doing virtual functional medicine wellness. I'm doing a wellness community and we're doing a 14 day clean eating challenge and just things to help improve people's lives.
And, um, it's super simple and I still get to help people. I still love that patient interaction. I think it's an addiction, actually. Um, so that's what I'm doing. And fearless coders with you? Yes, that's right. Do you want to give people contact information or just check out begin with wellness and go from there?
Yeah, check out begin with wellness. My website is drjuliemclaughlin.com and I will see you. Awesome, Julie, thank you so much. Like I said, uh, it's fearless chiropractor's very, very first podcast. You were always the first person I was going to interview, um, for the first time. So thank you so much.
And behind the scenes, everybody, Dr. Julie does a, ah, lot of work. She helps me so much. I mean, with our fearless coders thing, there's no way I could do what I'm doing there without her. And she's behind the scenes in the fearless chiropractor podcast as well because she's so m skills amongst their success stories.
Um, so much. Thanks to you and yeah, we'll sign off. Until next time, have a great night. Bye.
